Extracts from this work were published in Art and Artist Vol 1, No.5, a periodical held by the Sackner Archive. This work includes a discussion among Gustav Metzger, Dom Sylvester Houedard, Mark Boyle and Ivor Davies, held at Ravensbourne College of Art and Design on May 23, 1966. -- Source of annotation: Marvin or Ruth Sackner.